Jay Clouse is a writer, host of Creative Elements, and the creator of Freelancing School. He is also the founder of Unreal Collective, a community for creatives. We had a surprisingly delightful conversation. I'm not surprised because I suspect anything about Jay, just that it's rare to encounter someone in the advice-to-freelancers game with such a refreshingly simple approach to cultivating new opportunity. Listen for more details. This interview was originally livestreamed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mETk6w4_IwU) and converted to audio here.